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		<title>Comment on Eden Park officially support homophobia&#8230;albeit subtly by Phil Wild</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phil Wild]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jun 2013 05:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just another reason why I do not go to live sport, dick heads supported by the yellow jacket brigade]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just another reason why I do not go to live sport, dick heads supported by the yellow jacket brigade</p>
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		<title>Comment on Family First Loses Charitable Status by ZenTiger</title>
		<link>http://patbrittenden.com/2013/05/06/family-first-loses-charitable-status/#comment-602</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 May 2013 23:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would argue the forum they provided for people affected by the police or CYFS over-zealous enforcement of the smacking laws is a charitable purpose.  They say they offer advice to people coming to them with such stories.  I think that is a charitable purpose.

They also promote research and raise awareness in the public mind on a range of issues (child prostitution, HPV vaccine, parental leave, child care etc).  In the age of information overload, I think this could be argued as a charitable purpose.  I think it possible to make a distinction between such forms of advocacy as opposed to a sole focus of lobbying government, and FF clearly advocate on family issues, and maybe that is a distinction requiring further assessment?

Even so, I&#039;m mostly in your camp - if they aren&#039;t deemed a charity, then so be it.  Just make the rule consistent.

The ruling has to be applied fairly to other organizations too, and I don&#039;t think it is (which may be limited resources as much as anything).  This is not a great excuse, as it sets up charities to be targeted by activists (thus the FF questions back to the Board) and struck off because some small groups of people may be very vocal and very demanding.  The irony then is that the so-called objectivity of the Charities Board is actually manipulated by political lobbying - which is not fine even if there&#039;s no tax deduction.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would argue the forum they provided for people affected by the police or CYFS over-zealous enforcement of the smacking laws is a charitable purpose.  They say they offer advice to people coming to them with such stories.  I think that is a charitable purpose.</p>
<p>They also promote research and raise awareness in the public mind on a range of issues (child prostitution, HPV vaccine, parental leave, child care etc).  In the age of information overload, I think this could be argued as a charitable purpose.  I think it possible to make a distinction between such forms of advocacy as opposed to a sole focus of lobbying government, and FF clearly advocate on family issues, and maybe that is a distinction requiring further assessment?</p>
<p>Even so, I&#8217;m mostly in your camp &#8211; if they aren&#8217;t deemed a charity, then so be it.  Just make the rule consistent.</p>
<p>The ruling has to be applied fairly to other organizations too, and I don&#8217;t think it is (which may be limited resources as much as anything).  This is not a great excuse, as it sets up charities to be targeted by activists (thus the FF questions back to the Board) and struck off because some small groups of people may be very vocal and very demanding.  The irony then is that the so-called objectivity of the Charities Board is actually manipulated by political lobbying &#8211; which is not fine even if there&#8217;s no tax deduction.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Family First Loses Charitable Status by Pat Brittenden</title>
		<link>http://patbrittenden.com/2013/05/06/family-first-loses-charitable-status/#comment-601</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pat Brittenden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 May 2013 10:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the fair and accurate way to define Family First is an advocacy group for some families, as opposed to the carte blanche way they are often used to say imply the represent all families. Sometimes the issues Bob champions I wholeheartedly agree with and his fight helps my family, other times it does now. Family First did not lobby for my family in the Same-Sex marriage conversation, or the anti-smacking conversation. I also wonder if a gay couple raising children would consider FF an advocacy for them. In saying that I think they have a valid voice to offer the debates...but I am always a little weary of giving an person/group the advocacy for every entity within their title :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the fair and accurate way to define Family First is an advocacy group for some families, as opposed to the carte blanche way they are often used to say imply the represent all families. Sometimes the issues Bob champions I wholeheartedly agree with and his fight helps my family, other times it does now. Family First did not lobby for my family in the Same-Sex marriage conversation, or the anti-smacking conversation. I also wonder if a gay couple raising children would consider FF an advocacy for them. In saying that I think they have a valid voice to offer the debates&#8230;but I am always a little weary of giving an person/group the advocacy for every entity within their title <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Family First Loses Charitable Status by Kate</title>
		<link>http://patbrittenden.com/2013/05/06/family-first-loses-charitable-status/#comment-600</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 May 2013 10:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[mccemily - I&#039;m sure you could contact Bob direct and I imagine he&#039;d be happy to explain what Family First does - he&#039;s very approachable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mccemily &#8211; I&#8217;m sure you could contact Bob direct and I imagine he&#8217;d be happy to explain what Family First does &#8211; he&#8217;s very approachable.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Family First Loses Charitable Status by Kate</title>
		<link>http://patbrittenden.com/2013/05/06/family-first-loses-charitable-status/#comment-599</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 May 2013 10:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pat - Family First is an advocacy group (and obviously the title of the organisation means they support families) but because two issues which impacted on families, they did have to lobby the government  on behalf of families so that&#039;s maybe why you thought they are a political lobby group.  In my opinion, Family First does a great job and I&#039;m very disappointed their charitable organisation status has been taken away - but I will still support them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat &#8211; Family First is an advocacy group (and obviously the title of the organisation means they support families) but because two issues which impacted on families, they did have to lobby the government  on behalf of families so that&#8217;s maybe why you thought they are a political lobby group.  In my opinion, Family First does a great job and I&#8217;m very disappointed their charitable organisation status has been taken away &#8211; but I will still support them.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Family First Loses Charitable Status by mccemily</title>
		<link>http://patbrittenden.com/2013/05/06/family-first-loses-charitable-status/#comment-598</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mccemily]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 May 2013 05:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I got excited there for a minute Dave as I thought it might be a list which noted what charitable work family first does ...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got excited there for a minute Dave as I thought it might be a list which noted what charitable work family first does &#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Family First Loses Charitable Status by Dave Crampton</title>
		<link>http://patbrittenden.com/2013/05/06/family-first-loses-charitable-status/#comment-597</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave Crampton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 May 2013 04:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[bob&#039;s done a list 
http://bobmccoskrie.com/?p=7919]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bob&#8217;s done a list<br />
<a href="http://bobmccoskrie.com/?p=7919" rel="nofollow">http://bobmccoskrie.com/?p=7919</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Family First Loses Charitable Status by Anita</title>
		<link>http://patbrittenden.com/2013/05/06/family-first-loses-charitable-status/#comment-596</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anita]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 May 2013 04:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ASH (Action on Smoking and Health)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ASH (Action on Smoking and Health)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Family First Loses Charitable Status by Anita</title>
		<link>http://patbrittenden.com/2013/05/06/family-first-loses-charitable-status/#comment-595</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anita]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 May 2013 04:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Greenpeace has also recently been assessed for their charitable status
http://www.greenpeace.org/new-zealand/en/press/Greenpeace-delighted-by-charitable-status-decision/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greenpeace has also recently been assessed for their charitable status<br />
<a href="http://www.greenpeace.org/new-zealand/en/press/Greenpeace-delighted-by-charitable-status-decision/" rel="nofollow">http://www.greenpeace.org/new-zealand/en/press/Greenpeace-delighted-by-charitable-status-decision/</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Family First Loses Charitable Status by mccemily</title>
		<link>http://patbrittenden.com/2013/05/06/family-first-loses-charitable-status/#comment-594</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mccemily]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 May 2013 04:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Like Amnesty International when checking out family first&#039;s website its hard to see what charitable work they do - it looks pretty political esp on the page where they describe what they do ... http://familyfirst.org.nz/about-us/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like Amnesty International when checking out family first&#8217;s website its hard to see what charitable work they do &#8211; it looks pretty political esp on the page where they describe what they do &#8230; <a href="http://familyfirst.org.nz/about-us/" rel="nofollow">http://familyfirst.org.nz/about-us/</a></p>
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